Curse

Veggente · Aug 23, 2007, 12:28 PM // 12:28

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Guild hall exploit? From pre? What does that have to do with survivor?

Take a 0 death char. Go in a guild hall and start a skirmish versus a friends with a hero ritu with "flesh of my flesh". Take with you the thief and put him in aggro range of you friend but NOT in the aggro range of the ritu. The thief will kill your friend and the ritu will res him while you get the exp for the kill. Go spleep. Enjoy your r3 survivor^^ Anyway it was possible some months ago, now they fixed it removing exp or something like that.

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Skill hunter is NOT broken. You can only buy 1/10th of the elites that way. A mesmer can NOT and I repeat NOT use any elite tomes except MESMER tomes. It makes the title SLIGHTLY easier but that's all.

Plz, talk about thing you know. Try to change the secondary class of your mesmer and you will be able to use all the others tome (for avoid any risk, looking at your knowledge, you have to talk with the "change-class" png in the ostility island to do it).

I'm sorry, has ANYONE posted that they cannot get it? Again, no one here is asking to lower the ranks. Drunkard, in everyone's opinion, is too MINDLESSLY time-consuming, there's no skill in clicking in one spot for hours and hours.

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Making wisdom/title tracks account wide makes it only slightly easier, and slightly less time-consuming because we won't have to switch characters which isn't ruining anyone's fun. How it is now, it IS not nearly as fun because I can't let anyone but my warrior open chests. I get a nice gold drop farming on my sin, and guess what: I can't ID it now. I have to wait.

You can't ID because you are exploiting to get fastly the ID title on an another char^^ Nothing don't allow you to ID with your assa apart the fact that you want to max fastly the wisdom title on an another char. Same about the treasure title: nothing don't allow you to use lockpicks with your assa, you will anyway get the drop as it is supposed. Title is something about rpg, a char, to be a master treasure hunter, has to have open "some" chests, seem logic no?
Why you use the word "slightly"? Your proposition maks those titles easier, dot. Nothing has to change, people still get this title without this help then I don't see the problem apart the fact that you can't get those title without an effort, things that I see...right. You can't hope to play 7 different chars and have the same chances to get a title that someone that decide to concentrate on only a char. It is about choices and efforts, who will do the effort to get those difficult title and then choice to concentrate on only a char MUST have more chances to complete those titles than someone that don't want to do an effort and the sacrifice to concentrate on a char. With your proposition you want *add the english expression* (must be something like "the bottle of wine full and the wife drunk").

Gli · Aug 23, 2007, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Originally Posted by Veggente

Nothing has to change, people still get this title without this help then I don't see the problem apart the fact that you can't get those title without an effort, things that I see...right. You can't hope to play 7 different chars and have the same chances to get a title that someone that decide to concentrate on only a char.

That's not true for the Wisdom title.

I play several characters and the Wisdom title on one of my characters rises as fast as someone playing only a single one. That's what's broken about having this title not account wide. Tying it to a single character is a lie, because, like I said earlier, for everyone except the village idiot, it reflects the work of all characters on our accounts. Making it account wide will not make it easier, it will just eliminate the lie.

Miss Puddles · Aug 23, 2007, 03:23 PM // 15:23

shouldn't this be in sardelac?
anyway, it would be nice to be able to earn wisdom/treasure hunter points across all characters. i would certainly play my other characters more.

edit: didn't see this gem:
"Plz, talk about thing you know. Try to change the secondary class of your mesmer and you will be able to use all the others tome (for avoid any risk, looking at your knowledge, you have to talk with the "change-class" png in the ostility island to do it)."

this is simply not true. have you ever tried using a tome that was for your secondary prof? it doesn't work. do your research before you tell people they're wrong. /flame.

Veggente · Aug 23, 2007, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Miss Puddles

edit: didn't see this gem:
"Plz, talk about thing you know. Try to change the secondary class of your mesmer and you will be able to use all the others tome (for avoid any risk, looking at your knowledge, you have to talk with the "change-class" png in the ostility island to do it)."

this is simply not true. have you ever tried using a tome that was for your secondary prof? it doesn't work. do your research before you tell people they're wrong. /flame.

Dont know about elite tomes (I prefer to sell them), but with the normal tomes I didn't have problems. Don't see why it wouldn't works...

dawnmist · Aug 23, 2007, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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have you ever tried using a tome that was for your secondary prof? it doesn't work. do your research before you tell people they're wrong

I don't know if Elite tomes work differently to standard ones - I've never yet found an Elite tome to test with.

I just tried teaching my A/R a Ranger skill with a Ranger tome - and it did work.

So unless Elite tomes work differently to normal tomes (in which case I can't test), tomes do work for your secondary profession.

Veggente · Aug 23, 2007, 04:04 PM // 16:04

K, I just tested it and now I know that I gave too much credit at the intervenants in this thread^^ I just used without problems an Elite Assa tome in my Ranger/Assa...Someone used the word "gem"?^^

For the Topic-Theme: I can agree about the wisdom title, but ask to merge all the chest open by the chars is for me only an excuse to let this title become much easier to get.

Vamis Threen · Aug 23, 2007, 04:05 PM // 16:05

I agree this should be moved to sardelac, seems like it's getting a bit flamey and off-topic here.

Although I respect the point-of-view that wisdom and treasure hunter should intrinsically linked to a single char because it makes more conceptual sense (although I disagree), I reject any notion that it's because any other way would make it too easy. None of these titles are broken; even connoisseur is hard to get because depending on how you buy the sugar you have to earn 1-2 million gold (e-bayers aside).

As I said before it would merely increase my enjoyment of the game if I were able to open all the chests I came across on all my chars- I'd still have to earn all the gold to get the keys and still have to come across 10,000 chests.

milan · Aug 23, 2007, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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Originally Posted by Miss Puddles

this is simply not true. have you ever tried using a tome that was for your secondary prof? it doesn't work. do your research before you tell people they're wrong. /flame.

Ignorance is contagious it seems. Words don't seem to work so lets do it with pictures.

Step one - Change secondary profession to Assassin (note primary ele)

Step two - Show that I only have one shadow arts elite, and double click the elite Sin tome.

Step three - Select the Assassin elite I want to learn from the tome, then show that I now have that elite.

But back on topic. I wouldn't be too annoyed if wisdom and treasure titles went account based.

I MP I · Aug 23, 2007, 04:22 PM // 16:22

/signed Though this really belongs in Sardelac. I wouldn't mind if they made the titles account based.

Whisper Evenstar · Aug 23, 2007, 04:44 PM // 16:44

/signed on wisdom and treasure - so tired of swapping to my main char to id and having to save keys just for her

/signed on drunk and sweet - as far as im concerned, this is like lucky... just for fun... no harm in being account wide... (yes i know lucky gets you some benefit - how much benefit for the ridiculous amount of money you would need to invest is another topic...)

FenrirOfSleipnir · Aug 23, 2007, 04:45 PM // 16:45

/signed for the Wisdom & Treasure Hunter.

Every time I to UW with my Monk and find a goldy, I have to hold on to it, even if my invent is totally clogged with 75-100+ gold drops (I keep 75-100+ gold drops so I can increase my revenue and earn back the fee + other expenses), just so I can ID them on my main again.... So damn tiring to have to free up space in my already over cumbered Chest so I can transfer a few golds....

Loviatar · Aug 23, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19

SIMPLE

WORK ON ANY TITLE GET ONE TITLE LEVEL ACCOUNT WIDE PER HOUR OF *WORK*

ANYTHING THAT COSTS GOLD LIKE NOGS/KEYS/CANDY ARE FREE FROM THE NPC

lets not do this halfway kiddies we deserve it all right now

vergerefosh · Aug 23, 2007, 05:25 PM // 17:25

/signed for wisdom and treasure hunter

I don't see the sense in having to move all the stuff onto one char to id, and only have one char open chests, and then have to use that character if you want to have a good chance not to lose the item that you're attempting to salvage

B E A S T · Aug 23, 2007, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

SIMPLE

WORK ON ANY TITLE GET ONE TITLE LEVEL ACCOUNT WIDE PER HOUR OF *WORK*

ANYTHING THAT COSTS GOLD LIKE NOGS/KEYS/CANDY ARE FREE FROM THE NPC

lets not do this halfway kiddies we deserve it all right now

Finally, someone who sees this the way I do. Honestly, quit complaining about sticking golds in the Xunlai chest. These titles were not meant to be easy. Sure, Treasure Hunters have to hog all the keys for one character, but thats what makes that character unique.

Gli · Aug 23, 2007, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

SIMPLE

WORK ON ANY TITLE GET ONE TITLE LEVEL ACCOUNT WIDE PER HOUR OF *WORK*

ANYTHING THAT COSTS GOLD LIKE NOGS/KEYS/CANDY ARE FREE FROM THE NPC

lets not do this halfway kiddies we deserve it all right now

Using sarcasm this way only shows a lack of actual reasoning to cement your position. Sarcasm used right ridicules the victim; used like this it makes you yourself look like the fool. Tell me I'm wrong. In all-caps.

Healers Wisper · Aug 23, 2007, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Miss Puddles

shouldn't this be in sardelac?
anyway, it would be nice to be able to earn wisdom/treasure hunter points across all characters. i would certainly play my other characters more.

edit: didn't see this gem:
"Plz, talk about thing you know. Try to change the secondary class of your mesmer and you will be able to use all the others tome (for avoid any risk, looking at your knowledge, you have to talk with the "change-class" png in the ostility island to do it)."

this is simply not true. have you ever tried using a tome that was for your secondary prof? it doesn't work. do your research before you tell people they're wrong. /flame.

Actually I have, Unlocked SS and SV on a monk the other day to give her the 55 SS and 55sv builds. Also unlocked reckless haste and I belive desicrate enchants on her. So both elite and non elite tomes work for 2nds.

As for the title tracks, I agree here. Have both lvl 1 wisdom and lvl treasure on my necro main, but I find myself farming more now with my monk. So my monk sees more chest and I am stuck between treasure hunting for her now and ditching my necro progression, or not opening chest while I farm. Then all gold drops goto necro, but extra wisdom doesn't help my now more played char. Doesn't make sence to me.

/sign for wisdon and treasure
/unsigned for all else

wetsparks · Aug 23, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by B E A S T

Finally, someone who sees this the way I do. Honestly, quit complaining about sticking golds in the Xunlai chest. These titles were not meant to be easy. Sure, Treasure Hunters have to hog all the keys for one character, but thats what makes that character unique.

Ok, maybe I'm missing something here, but how is finding 10,000 gold items easy? Or getting the money to buy 10,000 gold items easy? Or finding 10,000 keys easy? Or getting the money for 10,000 keys easy? Or finding 10,000 chest to use your 10,000 keys easy? Unless you e-bay all your money it is still very hard to do this, no matter how many characters you have. Gathering the resources for all of this is an account wide effort, so make it an account wide title.
/signed

Shadowspawn X · Aug 23, 2007, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by B E A S T

Finally, someone who sees this the way I do. Honestly, quit complaining about sticking golds in the Xunlai chest. These titles were not meant to be easy. Sure, Treasure Hunters have to hog all the keys for one character, but thats what makes that character unique.

Just a bunch of complainers, they don't even think before they post. Obviously to get 10,000 chest ran thats a concentrated effort of chest running which you are going to chest run on one character. Putting golds in the Xunlai chest is stupid, because that doesn't even add up no one ever maxed the titles that way. Account wide wouldn't make you not use one toon for chest running, this just mindless complaining. The guy who doesn't know how tomes work just tops off the stupidity of this thread.

Blackest Rose · Aug 23, 2007, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Solar_Takfar

Entirely valid concerns. Agreed on both terms. Of course someone will come around and say "you don't need the title, if you want it, go work for it, if not shut up", blablabla, and all that jazz.

Fact is, I think most titles* should be account-wide. It certainly would benefit me and other players like me who want to experience every side of guild wars, and thus have one char for each primary profession, and it wouldn't hurt people who prefer to work on a single char.

*exceptions I can think of would be protector, vanquisher, cartographer, survivor, skillhunter, and the ones affecting PvE skills - tho surely not the Factions ones, since the amount of faction farming required to rank up is ridiculous.

What Solar said goes for me too....
Many players want to experience all classes including primary attribute line.
Going through the gates of madness for the 8th time currently.....

You can change secondary profession easily but not primary and still retain titles.
Either make more titles account based or enable a complete character change .... which won't happen I know....

B E A S T · Aug 23, 2007, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by wetsparks

Ok, maybe I'm missing something here, but how is finding 10,000 gold items easy? Or getting the money to buy 10,000 gold items easy? Or finding 10,000 keys easy? Or getting the money for 10,000 keys easy? Or finding 10,000 chest to use your 10,000 keys easy? Unless you e-bay all your money it is still very hard to do this, no matter how many characters you have. Gathering the resources for all of this is an account wide effort, so make it an account wide title.
/signed

Next time try reading my post.

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These titles were not meant to be easy.